What determines who gets saved? Romans 9:10–13 prepares us for the sermon in the midweek prayer meeting. In these four verses of Holy Scripture, the Holy Spirit teaches us that God's loving choice is what determines who gets saved.
Open calls, questions, and discussion with Matt Slick LIVE in the studio. Topics include:
• 05- Hate Mail.
• 10- Infralapsarianism, Sublapsarianism, and Supralapsarianism
• 21- Should your past stop you from seeking Pastoral work?
• 49- Judging Homosexuality while overlooking adultery in the church
There is no time more fitting for an in depth consideration of the topic than Christmas. For Christmas reminds us that God keeps His promises, even if it takes millennia. The coming of the Messiah was promised at the fall. And God continued to work His eternal plan through all of history… but it is important for us to understand that all of the chaos and unrest that marks out human history is not out of God's control, nor is it something that He was struggling to manage. All of creation is progressing along the path of God's eternal decree and it is exactly as it is supposed to be at this moment. Paul tells us that God subjected creation to futility in hope… a knowing exchange of temporary discomfort, misery and sorrow for the eternal receipt of glory.. And he further goes on to tell us that there is no comparison. It is a concept which is frankly difficult for us to understand… but it is a concept that we need to know.
Sunday Morning Teaching Hour: Is God unjust in sovereign election? Can mercy be demanded? How are we to understand 'vessels of wrath prepared for destruction'? Why is it important to ground our understanding of God in His being and not just His actions?
Which came first in the logical order of the God's decrees? Was it the election to salvation of a people in Christ? Or was it the decree to cause or permit the fall of God's people in Adam?
Simulation Hypothesis Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDo1Glu1p9o
Although God knows everything that may or can come to pass under all imaginable conditions,yet He has not decreed anything because He foresaw it in the future, or because itwould come to pass under certain conditions.
A.- Supralapsarianism-The doctrine that the decree of election preceded human creation and the Fall. A view held by Theodore Beza and many Reformed Believers.
B.- Infralapsarianism-the doctrine, held by many Augustinians and by many Calvinists, that God planned the Creation, permitted the Fall, elected a chosen number, planned their redemption, and suffered the remainder to be eternally punished.
Mercy in that we are not Reprobate
a) Fact of God's absolute Sovereignty in Reprobation
b) God does not love the, Christ did not died for them, God is not wanting to save them (in short - sin is on their account)
b) NOTHING works together for good (spiritually, eternally)
1. Supralapsarianism-The doctrine that the decree of election preceded human creation and the Fall.
2. Infralapsarianism-the doctrine, held by Augustinians and by many Calvinists, that God planned the Creation, permitted the Fall, elected a chosen number, planned their redemption, and suffered the remainder to be eternally punished.
3. Amyraldianism-is a theological system created by Moise Amyrald, which modified traditional Calvinism's teachings on God's Eternal Decrees, removing the decree of reprobation. Amyraldianism is also known as Four-Point Calvinism in that it denies Limited Atonement the teaching that Jesus only bore the sin of the elect. meaning Universal salvation.
A.W.Pink wrote in his book "The Doctrine of Election." chapter 6 pg 1168. quote "Third, this act of God was irrespective of and anterior to any foresight of the entrance of sin. We have somewhat anticipated this branch of our subject, yet as it is one upon which very few today are clear, and one we deem of considerable importance, we propose to give it separate consideration. The particular point which we are now to ponder is, as to whether His people were viewed by God, in His act of election, as fallen or unfallen; as in the corrupt mass through their defection in Adam, or in the pure mass of creaturehood, as to be created. Those who took the former view are known as Sublapsarians; those who took the latter as Supralapsarians, and in the past this question was debated considerably between high and low Calvinists. This writer unhesitatingly (after prolonged study) takes the Supralapsarian position, though he is well aware that few indeed will be ready to follow him."
The discussion revolves around angels in regards to their "election". There is no redemption for angels, but our Confession does talk about "elect angels".
By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice.
(1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4)
4.These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
(2 Timothy 2:19; John 13:18)
After discussing the implications of Supralapsarianism – we then deal with some of the common objections raised against Supralapsarianism – some of which are: (Some being more valid than others)
Seems to make God the author of sin.
It undermines the true reasons for creation.
It minimizes the potential of Adam to be created in righteousness.
How could God “hang a man” before he committed a crime? (Thornwell) -- i.e. reprobation, pre-fall.
God takes as much pleasure in the death of the wicked as He does salvation.
Not all Supralapsarians are hyper-Calvinists but all hyper-Calvinists are Supralapsarians.
In this teaching (which is a discussion class), Pastor Jeff introduces the concept of Supralapsarianism. Our particular confession can embrace either Supralapsarianism or Infralapsarianism. The Westminster Divines had both on their counsel and we believe both should be able to co-exist in the same church.
Our confessions language seems more compatible with Infralapsarian thought, but you can see some aspects of Supralapsarian thought in it too.
Deal with varying degrees of views of grace and election. Give a review of a debate I attended on freewill vs free grace. Toward the end we use B.B. Warfield's chart out of his book, The Plan of Salvation. This was a midweek, every informal Bible study with many questions edited out because of sound quality. This was originally part 8 but I made it 6 since 7 and 8 were not captured and tape.